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Post by bi on May 1, 2008 20:59:24 GMT -5
Ok, so I found out that there are a few people out there where they find more and more additional characters for Eon is starting to get annoying...and I wanted to ask you...what are your answers and thoughts about more and more characters people on here keep on creating? Just curious? ^^; - Kama
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Post by blake on May 1, 2008 22:11:08 GMT -5
I'm fine with it. We need new characters as the Eon storyline goes on, methinks. We can't just have the same characters because in the violent world of Eon, they're gonna keep getting killed off. So we need more characters to keep the story going. ... yeah.
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Post by draga on May 1, 2008 22:22:52 GMT -5
I agree with Blake, The world of Eon is a dangerous place! we need enough characters to serve as 'scapegoats' I'm not refering to Twister! *hides before Ani gets here*
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Post by momaru on May 1, 2008 22:27:01 GMT -5
I kinda am against it. I am sorry, but some of you have waaaay too man characters as it is. My main problem is that if people have so many characters, what is to stop them from taking over the RPG and running it how they want? It's like creating a false majority by artificially giving yourself more power over how the RP should be run compared to people that have less characters, like Kaito and Taro for instance, who only have one character. Honestly, I think that we should each be limited to 4 or 5 characters per person at any given time, and just fill in the gaps with NPC's. In fact, we could have a NPC list created from all the"overflow" from limiting ourselves to 4 or 5 characters.
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Post by animeg on May 2, 2008 1:04:14 GMT -5
I kinda am against it. I am sorry, but some of you have waaaay too man characters as it is. My main problem is that if people have so many characters, what is to stop them from taking over the RPG and running it how they want? It's like creating a false majority by artificially giving yourself more power over how the RP should be run compared to people that have less characters, like Kaito and Taro for instance, who only have one character. Honestly, I think that we should each be limited to 4 or 5 characters per person at any given time, and just fill in the gaps with NPC's. In fact, we could have a NPC list created from all the"overflow" from limiting ourselves to 4 or 5 characters.
*grinds teeth together in annoyance* Bryceeeeee!!! Why... Why am I not surprised to hear this from you...? Normally, I wouldn't care, I know that everybody is entilted to their opinion, so it doesn't matter to me!
BUT.
Oh ho, there is one big fat but here...
I'm sorry Bryce but I reeeeeally really have to scream this out because you seriously stomped on my toes with what you just said.... WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?[/i] You're talking as if some of us are planning to 'take over' Eons on purpose to make it ours and act like dictators, running it our way. No, no, NO. That is NOT exactly why we would create characters! I don't know what is going on in that head of yours but... does it even look like we're the types to come in and conquer over? I mean.. seriously. I am very content with the way Eons are running right now, I'm very happy to see everybody partipating and working together to make this happen! So... Tell me... Seriously, just tell me why would someone like me or Kama or Blake wanna take that away? Just... why even think... As for the characters, I'm going to make this short and simple. We need them. They are useful to fill in plot holes, have a variety of species, to even out the 'battlefield' so to say between PAL and LIGHT, and not to mention, it is just as Blake said; Eons is a huge world. Do you honestly think that we would truly limit our creativity to only four or five? Besides! Who said you HAVE to know EVERY SINGLE character?? Nobody did! You just need to know the ones your character is connected to and if you do that, then... it really doesn't seem like a big mess/clutter after all. Believe me, I know it seems more complicated then it looks. Heck, you'd be surprised how many links there are in each characters. Here's an example: Ryan is connected to... -> Roy -> Eirra -> Darius -> Louvre -> Beth -> Chase -> Master Pursuit etc, etc! It's insane! But hey, that's what makes it fun, huh? But as long as I focus Ryan's character around other characters I just listed, then... it's really not that big of a deal. Ya know... Aside from all of that... It's way too late for me now. The majority of my characters are already playing important roles to the Eons: Ani: Obviously my main character, often with Night, Twister, and Thrax Bobby: Saves Kama when the school break out happens, ends up going with Kama, Riley, Taro, etc. Ryan: Very important LIGHT scienctist, evenutally gets invovled with Eirra thus playing a huge huge part in her life, also knows Alex, Darius, Master Pursuit, Chase, Roy, lot of the eon characters Chase: Reggie's murderer in the future, plays a role in Night's and Odin's story Roy: One of the top authorities; plays a major role in Ryan and Eirra's life Keely: Character request by my brother, goes with Despair, to be his cute little sidekick Mark: Future PAL leader after Reggie's death Oh... will you look at that? I already went past the number 5 rule and the characters are STILL playing important roles in lot of the eon characters. Tsk. What are you going to sugguest? That I should completely cut out half of my character list, throw them aside despite all the hard work I've done to figure them out and upset the balance in numberous eon character's stories? I'm sorry Bryce but... you seriously need to open your eyes, be more free minded, be more tolerate and stop being such a paranoid prick. NOBODY, I will repeat, NOBODY here is even one bit making the effort to take over the Eons. Of course, being a character lover I am, I fully support this. Hell, let anybody create as many characters they want AS LONG AS they play an important role. [If they were created for no reason at all, then I'd be just a little bit peeved but eh, it's not my problem.] I love reading and learning about different kinds of characters! [Yes, even yours, Bryce] It's so interesting how all of us have so many different ideas! I just can't get enough of it! Hell, I'm practically foaming at the mouth in excitement! New character profile's up? Dude, I am so fucking there. I know I've read either Eirra or Darius' profile over five times by now. It's so exciting! I just love the very idea of having so many different characters!! Riley, Taro and Kaito only have one character... Yes, that is true but have you ever thought it was because they chose to? They didn't want to have another character and... that's completely okay by all of us! Right? I mean... think about it. In each state in our United States, thousands and thousands of people are citizens to their state; not only we are filling in plot holes, we are creating a more of a realistic world. One last thing before I end this rant. What the hell is a NPC anyway? I remember someone mentioning about that somewhere around here before but I can't seem to find it. Anyway, is a NPC some sort of a computer character with no history or something? If so, then... That's so boring! Where's the fun in that! Isn't that what the Eon all about? Having fun and creating a story worth telling? Character development and interaction? Learning something new? Experience? Memories? Okay... *breathes in sharply* I really am sorry I exploded like that Bryce, but what you said... just wasn't wise. I felt like you were letting your paranoia do the talking for you. I mean... look around. Who is trying to take over? I know I'm not. I'm just creating characters because it's what I do. I've always done it. I'm always trying to fill up every empty space we got and try to make things work. I've always had more characters then the rest; right up from my life on Neopets through Destiny [Pokemon] through Horse rpg through friends IM rps to here at Eons. I'm sorry you don't like it but... it's just as I said before, nobody said you HAVE to know my characters. Hell, I don't even know any of my characters is going to meet up with yours. [Probably either Mark, Zeek or Bobby... and... that's about it...?] I'm sorry you feel overwhelmed, but... *shrugs* nobody stopped me and when I do create a character, I made absolute sure that they will play a purpose to the storyline. ................ It's midnight and I haven't slept in two days [this being my 3rd night awake actually] sooo... that could also be the reason why I'm being such a snappy bitch. Once again, I do not mean any offense to ANYBODY. I'm just stating my beliefs and explaining why. *shrugs* Though I admit that I am curious about what other think of additional characters and I would really love to hear the truth. [No matter how brutal it is! Heck, maybe something like 'I think Ani have too many fucking characters' because... heh, I know it's true!] So you guys annoyed or not? I'm not going to bite again. I'm just mad because Bryce actually think that someone is going to take over the eons with imaginary characters, oh snap. Quick, save yourselves. e_e;;; Annnd Blake told me to go to bed like... an hour or two ago... *coughs* I should probably take his advice and go now. lD;; So yeah, g'night all. *drags self to bed and sleeps till hell freezes over* [/font] [/size] [/color]
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Post by momaru on May 2, 2008 13:43:44 GMT -5
You have a point, but being the cynical bastard that I am, I just can't rule out the possibility Ani. I guess you kind of got it, but I was talking about you in particular. My fears cannot be completely assuuneltaged. Also, how the hell do you expect me to keep up on everyones freaking characters if people don't post their profiles? I certainly would if I had a freaking clue about like, half of the characters at this point. I have a weird policy, but whoever doesn't post profiles to their characters, those characters simply don't exist. I am interested in finding out about your characters (and everyone elses) , but how do you expect me to do that when there isn't anything on the forums about them?
And now for something completely different. Why is it that everyone keeps posting their angry tirades when they are really tired and haven't slept? I do it too admittedly, when I am tired I am more likely to type up some bitchy angry ass shit or say something I later regret than when I am rested and have some self control. Why do we do this to each other is what I would like to know. Wouldn't it better to talk when we are more reasonable? Ani, get some sleep. If you haven't slept in 3 days, I don't even know how you expect me to take you too seriously. Sanity flies out of the window when you get that sleepless. I can't remember exactly, but I think if you go without sleep for 7 days you die. Although it might have been 17 days.
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Post by bi on May 3, 2008 0:00:26 GMT -5
Ok, so first get on like a few minutes ago and then see that I got 5 posts on my thread and have a happy face until I see "ANGRY RANTS AND RWARS" then my happy face turns upside down! D8> Kay, well first off...you guys have been...wow just wow. Rwaring at each other none stop...and I'm sitting here trying to read this and like...6 people are IMing on MSN at the SAME TIME. xDDD Maybe I should turn off the volume so that I can concentrate... >_>; Anyways, kay, thanks guys for replying to my thread, I'm still waiting for other people's answers and see what they think cause I just love my curiousity just go out in public and see what people think about it. And you all probably thinking "Well I answered this thread and now what does KAMA have to say about her OWN question???" And here is what I have to say: I don't mind additional characters, kay? I make additional characters because their just side characters for like LIGHT and PAL...and other stuff, and now, I'll list down the characters that I own that are actually IMPORTANT to Eons and that have a IMPORTANT ROLE. <:
Kama- My main character...who is very emo. Stop being emo, kay?!?! D8< Mar- Second Main character who is Kama's bf until he has to go back to teh spirit world...bye bye Mar. D: Master Pursuit- ...Ok, we NEEDED a comedy relief character. D: And he was my very first LIGHT character and...he brings SMILES to everyone who sees him drawn in artwork or when I rp him, they give out one or two giggles...then we kill him off and our happy faces turn into SAD FACES! Hallow- ...Hello Hallow, how are you doing? C: Well she's part of Kama...but is also [insertthathorriblecusswordhereplz] and yep yep yep...she's so evil. <: Reggie- Reggie...I love you so much. <: And this character is VERY important...cause he runs PAL, doing a great job Reggie, keep up the good work buddy! *pats him on the back* ![8D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/insane.png) ....I think that's it...wow, and Bryce, there, 5 MAJOR characters! [plzinsertdramaticmusichere] ....ok well Ani's post is probably longer than mine but yes, this is what I think about additional character and I could list my side characters...but I'm too lazy and I'm just going to move and see the other threads, kay? Bai.
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Post by animeg on May 3, 2008 1:53:35 GMT -5
..., but being the cynical bastard that I am,...
Glad you can argee.
....what the hell does 'assuuneltaged' mean? I know you're a college student but... this is not college, you don't need to get all fancy. We're simple people, we like it simple. lD;;
Uhm... Bryce... I'm sorry but... that has got to be the most dumbest excuse I've ever heard. Just because their profiles is not on the fourms does NOT mean they don't exist. Yes, I know I have to get my ass in gear and start working on them, you're not the only one who kept asking for them but... just because their profiles isn't done doesn't mean they don't exist. I mean... That's like looking at all of these drawings I did of my characters and say that the character was just a bunch of scribble lines that doesn't exist. lD;;
OBJECTION! Maybe you haven't noticed but I did rp for a bit with Ani at the rp section so you should know how she act and behaves, I drew pictures, I also participate in with the discussions about my characters and I did talk about Bobby, Roy, and Spencer in detail at the scroodles section where I posted their reference pictures. Omg!! 8U So techically... Yes I don't have profiles but it does not mean that there isn't ANY information on the forums. You just don't explore or read people's post carefully enough. n_n
Besides... have you ever considered... oh I don't know... talking to me about them? Ya know, there is a message button at the top right hand of your screen, just in case you missed that. Maybe even consider about writing a Site Message and say "so I heard about this character of yours, who is he and what does he do?" OH BUT IT'S JUST A SUGGUESTION. lololololol
Please. BD
Oh, of course it has nothing to do with you being a prick and disargee/argue with everybody. Pfft. Absolutely not. I mean, that kind of method always gets on everybody's good side. :D
And oh, it's mostly because I like to snap/yell at you. *flashes a dangerous smile* >:}
.......Wow, that was pretty pointless question to ask if you were going to answer it yourself. Not to mention that the answer was pretty obvious. xDD
Trust me. When I get bitchy like that? That would be an excellent time to take me seriously because I don't ever explode so willingly, even when I'm tired. It would be better but... like you're the one to talk? Seriously. You said it yourself, you do the same thing so uhm... why don't you ask yourself that question?
Really? If that was the case then I almost met death last semester! Well, damn! *snaps fingers* Maybe next time. xD
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Post by animeg on May 3, 2008 2:02:35 GMT -5
Whoa... Everyone needs to calm down kay? Bryce? No one is trying to take over Eon because that would be stupid and there's no point in doing it. Ani? I agree with you for the most part, but this issue isn't huge so don't let it ruffle your feathers. Bryce again. We created Eon to have fun. Whether it be roleplaying, drawing, or creating characters, it's all about the experiences we have while doing it. I don't care how many characters there are now that I think about it, I mean, as long as the characters are related to Eon and have a purpose, I don't mind. I love reading peoples' profiles and learning aboutbnew chars because it gives me something to do. I will admit I did get a little ticked off when I heard that Ani was going to be making a surgeon character because it would be ignoring Taro and his abilities. Just so you all know, Taro DOES know how to operate. It's important to know how to heal people as well as know what to do. xD That made no sense... Anyway, to settle this dispute we will make a new topic under Eon that will suggest new characters before they made official. This way people will have a say in what new characters get to be added before too much work goes into them. This was the main problem with all the new characters; two people would discuss it, then RP with the character and then draw it and make a profile and then show the rest of Eon what was going on. And even if we said no, they say that they put so much work into it And they would eventually get their way. Eh let me know what you all think.
Uhh, wow, I didn't see this post until AFTER I posted. xD; But in any case! Like I told you earlier today, I had NO idea that Taro was a surgeon and I figured since that he's the only one with healing powers, ya think there would be more people to help? I dunno. But I'm really, really sorry. xD; I just thought Taro was a student who has the ability to heal, and further more! He is part of the PAL... computer... ... oh damn, I forgot what they were called but yeah, I thought he would be too busy doing that then devoting his time to help injuried people, ya know what I mean? So yeah... again, I apologize because I was dumb enough to think that we don't have any surgeon characters running around. *smacks self in head* I'm so dumb not to think it like that. xD;;
However, after some thought and reasonable thinking, I've decided to keep the character. *shrugs* I thought it'd be neat to have a doctor character for once. Eh heh... I'm already attached to him and I don't even know much about him yet. xDD
Moving along, I don't think that's AN ENTIRELY a bad idea actually. Making a thread to gather opinions and to say that if it's okay or not to permit that character. But... obviously it won't work if two people already create it, rped them AND draw them, since... just as you say, we already put so much effort into them... I mean, like I said, it's not a bad idea to go ahead and give it a try. I just don't know how successful it will be though.
... by the way, I'm glad I'm not the only one who enjoys taking the time of their life to read people's profiles. Lawl. xD;
EDIT: Of course it wasn't till AFTER I post this that I remember what Taro is; wasn't he the PAL's coordinator? Yeah. >_>;; Man, my memory's terrible. xD;
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Post by bi on May 3, 2008 2:10:55 GMT -5
...8. Well now, I'm sure that pretty much EVERYONE on here likes and enjoys reading other people's profiles, ya know? I do too, though I tend to get spaced out often and don't remember certain parts of people's profiles when they ask me something about it...>_>; Yes I should be smacked for that, anyways, Thanks Taro for giving out your response to my Thread and ummm...hurray for horrible evil rants trashed on my thread? xD; Yea...I'm obviously not taking this rwaring between Bryce and Ani very seriously, sorry? ^^; Okay...sleep does sound good right about now considering that I have work in the morning.
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Post by blake on May 3, 2008 2:23:48 GMT -5
Whoa... Everyone needs to calm down kay? Says the guy who can't even accept critisism for his artwork. Seriously. ".... you don't like my artwork... WELL FUCK YOU!! GO TO HELL!! I HATE YOU!! HOW CAN YOU NOT LOVE THIS GRANDIOSE PEICE OF WORK!! IT'S M-AZING!!!" Yeah... we'll totally calm down, just by following your LOVely example.Bryce? No one is trying to take over Eon because that would be stupid and there's no point in doing it. But his concern can be defined as legiment, because this has happened before. With Catome, remember? 'The Elite Four'. Which, for the record, was something I said out of anger. And suddenly, BAM! The whole group knows about it! Why? Because SOMEone told them. Hm... now who could that SOMEone be? I wonder... So... yeah.Ani? I agree with you for the most part, but this issue isn't huge so don't let it ruffle your feathers. Translation: Ani, you can only get mad when I SAY you can get mad, SO THERE! ... Dude, seriously, you don't know Ani, you don't know what gets her mad, so don't even try. Amazingly enough, you don't get to control how other people feel? Know why? BECAUSE THAT'S OUR CHOICE, and OUR personality! Yeah, I know, RADical thinking, ain't it? That we actually have our own brains? That we can think for ourselves? LE GASP! HOW DARE WE?! Seriously dude, wtf? You're acting like you want to be the 'leader' of the Eons! In RPing? Fine, whatever you wanna do with your character, that's your choice. But guess what? This is real life, and in RL, WE DON'T NEED LEADERS!!! OHMIGOSH!! I know, it's revolutionary!! We can actually THINK for ourselves!! So, seriously, stop trying to be the 'group therapist'. Our problems are none of your buisness unless we decide to tell you. You are not the leader of the group. Riley is not the leader of the group. In Eon, yes, fine, whatever. In RL, not gonna happen, buddy. You're not our leader, or our therapist. You are our peer, and you are no more equipped to handle our problems then any other person is.... you're our age. Actually, you're younger than us. And, trust me, a lot of us have been through shit you only see in your nightmares. You don't have more 'life experiance' than we do. In fact, from what I know of your life, and from what I've heard, and from what I see at my school, you have a lot LESS.I will admit I did get a little ticked off when I heard that Ani was going to be making a surgeon character because it would be ignoring Taro and his abilities. Just so you all know, Taro DOES know how to operate. It's important to know how to heal people as well as know what to do. OOOoOhhhh boy... You had this coming, man. Ok, so Ani can't have a surgeon character because Taro knows how to heal? WELL GREAT!! So, then, Taro can heal the THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of Eons that get hurt every... single... day. Good luck with that. It'll probably kill him, and he'll need time powers to keep up with it all. Becuase Eon can only have ONE healer for the ENTIRE WORLD!!! MWAHAHAHA! ... dude? Chill... out. Ani can have a surgeon character if she wants. HOW CAN THIS even tick you off? Because you want Taro's powers to be special? Um... OK, they still ARE special, OMG! You know why? Because it's a Jackal Anthro who goes around healing people. Yeah, that'll get stolen. But, OH NO! I forgots! You can be the only person with healing powers, because it's 'special'. Dude, you think Eirra is the only person with fire powers? Um... NO! Are Darius and Alex the only people with psychic powers? Let's think a minute? Um... NO!?!? HAHAHA! I know, a revaltion, isn't it? We don't HAVE to consult you before making new characters. We don't HAVE to treat Taro as this special, unique, untochable creature. And that's another thing. Does Taro have any character flaws... like at all? Or is he perfect? Because if so, damn, dude, WORK ON YOUR REALISM!! EVERY CHARACTER HAS FLAWS!! Ani doesn't stand up for herself enough, Eirra's a bitch, Ryan REALLY can't control his temper, Roy is a dickhead, MP is annoying, sometimes. Taro... NOPE! TARO'S PERFECT!! He'S GOD!! WORSHIP THE GROUND HE STEPS UPON, FOR IT ART HOLY!! HHHHOOOOLLLLLYYYY!! HE IS PERFECT!! ... are you really that arogant? Seriously, dude? Work on it! ... And... oh my god... Ani is keeping her character. She's... GOING AGAINST TARO'S WORD OF LAW!! WHAT WILL WE DO!!?? Welp, guess we'll have to shoot her. Sorry Ani! But we all know Taro can't be upset. He owns Eon, ya know! *nods* So, yep, we'll just kill your new character, ban ya from the forums, can't rock the boat now children- Oh, wait. Taro DOESN'T own Eon! Ani's part of Eon too! OH MY GOD!! SHE CAN HAVE A CHARACTER!??! Hey, don't like it. Than get your ass in gear and create a NEW character?!? God, I am just brimming to the surface with GREAT NEW IDEAS TONIGHT!!!
Anyway, to settle this dispute we will make a new topic under Eon that will suggest new characters before they made official. Um... OK. Because you are the ultimate dictator of the group and you can tell people what to do and what not do? Should I start kissing the ground at your feet? Bow down to you, oh great overlord? What you say goes, huh? Forget the rest of us! As long as you're in charge, LIFE IS GEWD!! Yeah, no, not really. Our characters are our buisness. And there is no way in Hell I'm going to plead for anyone's permission before making a new character. I ask before I connect it to anything. So get over yourself.This way people will have a say in what new characters get to be added before too much work goes into them. This was the main problem with all the new characters; two people would discuss it, then RP with the character and then draw it and make a profile and then show the rest of Eon what was going on. And even if we said no, they say that they put so much work into it And they would eventually get their way. Eh let me know what you all think. Hm... was that a subliminal attack on me? Why, I believe it was! Ok, so before creating a new character, we must all GROVEL and beg for permission from the group. Becuase it's not like it's our own characters... out of our own imaginations... or anything like that? Oh, no, no, NO! Forget fanfics, forget all minor characters. Like Ani and Kama said, we only have a FEW major characters. Sorry buddy, you lose that round.
So go ahead and flame me now, ban me, I really don't care. *laughs* I've been holding this in for a year, it was bound to come out sooner or later. But somehow, I think you'll live >![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
K, you wanna know what I think? ..|.. Try and read that, my friend! - blake
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Post by momaru on May 3, 2008 2:39:27 GMT -5
OMG Taro! That is probably the most sensible thing I have heard all day. I love the idea of letting everyone know what the ideas are for new characters so we can nix them if they start to get out of hand. That will satisfy my complaints with the current way things are done.
For instance, I was about ready to explode on Blake when he posted his profile for that Dane character who supposedly is second in command of PAL, but I was already taking that position with Momaru. Granted, it was still something I was kicking around if you bothered to read some of the thread about PAL, but before I could actually claim it, BAM theres that Dane character who seemingly popped out of thin air without so much as a mention about her on the forums. So I am sorry, but I think that Dane character has to go so I can do what I had originally intended for my characters.
Oh, and Ani, I don't know what "assuuneltaged" means either. It isn't even a word XD. I guess I didn't catch that mistake when I was typing on the laptop I borrowed in the library earlier. I think I meant to say "assuaged". And no, my question wasn't answered, you were just unnecessarily bitchy to me. Honestly, I am sick of it. If you have something to say to me, tell me in a reasonable tone and I'll be a whole lot more likely to listen as will any other person you have to meet in your life.
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Post by animeg on May 3, 2008 2:45:10 GMT -5
And no, my question wasn't answered, you were just unnecessarily bitchy to me. Honestly, I am sick of it. If you have something to say to me, tell me in a reasonable tone and I'll be a whole lot more likely to listen as will any other person you have to meet in your life.
Aww... But being nice to you means effort on my part. D8>
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Post by momaru on May 3, 2008 2:58:03 GMT -5
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Aww...but being civil towards incorrigible people like you means effort on my part. Cry me a river.
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Post by blake on May 3, 2008 2:58:12 GMT -5
Hm... let me think... kick out Dane... NOPE! Not gonna happen. She leaves after six months anyways, dude, seriously. You can't wait six months. *shakes head* Christ almighty... And, go on, explode on me. I don't give a shit anymore. Go right ahead, there is nothing you can say that will get to me and I assure you of that.
Oh, and Momaru- that's just it. I DID mention Dane on the forums. You NEVER mentioned you wanted to be Second-in-Command of PAL. Not ONCE. So dude, just relax. What's wrong with taking the position in six months? Or less? Is it that bad a wait? and Taro wanted power too! Even though KAMA was the one who came up with the idea. Seriously. *rolled eyes* I'd say more, but you're not the one I'm pissed at, so yeah....
Seriously, can't you wait six months?
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EDIT: When did Ani EVER request you be nice to her? Um... let's think... NEVER?! Bad comeback, man, I gotta say.
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