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Post by animeg on May 3, 2008 3:08:44 GMT -5
[/size] [/color][/quote] Aww...but being civil towards incorrigible people like you means effort on my part. Cry me a river. [/quote]
...You can be civil???? O_O Oh snap people! It's a miracle!!!
Seriously now. I didn't ask you to be civil towards me anyway so uhm... bitch at me all you want. Just take it over the Site Message if you wanna yell at me~ :> I'm actually really reaaaally enjoying this. *snaps teeth in air, again grinning darkly*
Though I'm going to stop posting now because... I'm pretty sure I'm pissing other people off too. >_>;; *coughs* Sorry to other people who is reading this and going "...jesuschrist Ani, wtf? lD" and I'd like to apologize to Kama because... yeah, I'm pretty sure she didn't want this to happen. *huggles that lovable Horsine* Sorry girl, this just kinda... exploded... Like marshmellow in a mircowave. O_O
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God, I feel awesome tonight. xD
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Post by momaru on May 3, 2008 3:16:26 GMT -5
Who said anything about being nice Blakeypoo? I was saying that I make an effort to be civil, as in respectful of our differences and not go fucking batshit on her. However, I disagree with you, there's like nothing on the forums about Dane, at least that I read. I am fairly sure I didn't miss anything either, so nice try. Dane still has to bite the dust if you ask me. Howabout this, She was the one that was there before Momaru, but she just up and leaves "ascends to a higher plain of existence" or some shit like that when Momaru comes around? How does that sound, you still get to have your character, and I get to do what I want? Besides, we think you have enough going on for your characters without Dane. Especially compared to mine, as they need a little something extra to really integrate them into the story. In short, I have a need for it, and you don't. Oh, and how nice of you to jump into this and add fuel to the fire instead of trying to settle things down like Taro at least tried. I grow wearier of this place as we squabble on and on about these honestly stupid things.
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Post by blake on May 3, 2008 3:30:58 GMT -5
Blakeypoo....? Yeah, I'm NEVER gonna get use to that >> ... XD
Um... sure. Well, she kills herself, so there ya go xD At least, I think so. Momaru could always kill her *shrugs* I'm flexible with her death. So she does bite the dust, so you say.
Who's 'we'? I know you and Taro... is that 'we'? Yeah...
And, Momaru? You're characters not being involved in the story is not my problem. Sorry :> And besides, I'm not the only one heavily involved. Look around you, dear. There's LOTS of us.
And, yeah, I did add fuel to the fire, didn't I? However, I originally didn't even want to get involved with you [lord, don't comment on that]- I only started in on you when your posts became hypocritical, and made no sense, AND when you attacked ME. So I'm just defending myself in a rude and bastard-esque way.
Hm.... yes, I grow weary of fighting with you too, but you've made it crystal clear in the past that you don't like me, and I don't particularily like you, but if you grow tired, I'll stop. I'm not even mad at you, to be honest, so I'll utilize that as my incentive.
- Blake
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Post by momaru on May 3, 2008 3:42:50 GMT -5
Thanks for being reasonable Blake. We'll have to work something out with our characters in the near future.
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Post by blake on May 3, 2008 3:45:32 GMT -5
Okey dokey. Message me. Or I'll message you. Yeah, we'll figure something out. I dunno, it'd be kinda cool if Momaru killed Dane. *shrugs* I kinda like that idea now >> *shutsup*
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Post by bi on May 3, 2008 12:07:25 GMT -5
*looks around* ...>3>; Should I go ahead and lock this thread??? Cause, I relize that this is kinda getting out of hand...lD;
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Post by blake on May 3, 2008 12:33:26 GMT -5
Yeah, that'll solve everything. Just lock it, ignore it, shove it under a rug and never look at it again. That way it can all blow up at some other place and time.
No, don't lock it.
But I do apologize Kama. Stressful week + bitchy mood doesn't really equal happiness. But in any case, I do apologize to you. So.... I'm sorry. Yeah.
- Blake
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Post by blake on May 3, 2008 14:46:19 GMT -5
OH NO!! I've upset someone!! WHATEVER WILL I DO!??!?!? Oh wait.... I don't care. Oh, and next time you call my house and scream at me on the answering machine, I'll block your number. Sorry, can't have the parents upset EDIT: HAAHAHAHAHHA!! You think this is a power struggle??!?! Are you truly that naive??? Do you have to pretend that I care if I have power or not? Can't I just be pissed??? OH BOY I have a lot to say to you. I've been pissed at you for weeks. OH NOEZ!! YOU LOOK LIKE AN ASS???!?!? Maybe it's because you're being one?? I know I am!! I'm being a downright ASShole, and I will say that right here and now. I'm mean, I'm unpleasant, and I'm a jerk. And, yeah, you are being an ass. Calling me on my home phone to scream at me over the answering machine is an ASS thing to do! Screamign at me on my cell phone is an ASS thing to do! And then you had the NERVE... the BLOODY NERVE.... to scream at Ani WHILE WE WERE TAKING HER RAT TO THE ERMGENCY CLINIC??!?!! What's WRONG WITH ME?? What's WRONG WITH YOU?? This is between you and me, Taro. You have no RIGHT to being Ani into it or Thrax into it, or ANYone! I AM PISSED AT YOU. YOU ARE PISSED AT ME! NO ONE ELSE!! And how are you looking like the ASS!! You're COMPELTELY playing the victim here!!! Saying everyone hates you- Ani's pissed because you YELLED AT HER. I AM PISSED BECAUSE, frankly, I am SICK of your bullshit!!! Oh and too respond to what you said on my machine, yeah. Yeah, I can trot around and say whatever the hell I want! You do it, why can't I? And YOUR RIGHT?!?!!??! HAHAHAHAHAHA!! What a realization!!! YOU DON'T KNOW ME, and to be honest, you never did! Oh sure, you knew things about me, but you never knew me, we were never close, SO JUST STOP!! STOP trying to get me, stop prying into my problems. EVERYONE has had a shitty week!! You think your life is horrible because you argue with your parents? HHAHAHAHA!! LIVE 1 MINUTE IN my life, or ONE MINUTE in Ani's life, or Thrax's! God, you are so narrow-minded, sometimes. How about you just leave us alone, huh? Stop trying to fix us, stop cussing at us, and... just leave us alone. - Blake
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Post by momaru on May 4, 2008 0:57:37 GMT -5
Wow, I don't know what happened here, but I'd still like to comment on it if I may. I don't know what you are fighting over is here Blake and Taro, but I can say this. Taro, stop being an immature little brat. It's really wrong to call people and leave angry tirades on their answering machines. Not only that, but when you pull shit like that, it totally destroys any respect or credibility in the eyes of everyone that even hears about it. There is no way you are gonna get away with doing whatever you want this time Taro. It's gonna come back to bite you in the ass no matter what you do. If you've got to be angry, tell it to their face. It's even worse that Taro seems to have dragged Ani in on this when she's not exactly in the best of moods.
However, I will say that there is conflicting info from both sides, that I can't really be too sure what is actually going on here. In that case I also have this to say. Blake, stop being a bitch and blowing things out of proportion and picking a fight on purpose with Taro. We really don't need any more trouble than what we have already. Whatever problems you have in real life, it's just cruel to take them out on your friends. Doing so will only repel those people from you. So heres the gist of my advice to the two of you, and Ani. STOP FIGHTING OVER EVERY FUCKING LITTLE THING!!!!
Also, this starts to touch on the main problem I have with the forums and Eon these days. That is, we basically use the forums to needlessly bicker with each other and hurt our friendships. Either this stops, and stops NOW, or we stop doing Eon for the sake of our friendships as not to needlessly turn friendship into bitter grudges against each other. If this cannot be done, count me out, I don't want to have anything to do with Eon in that case.
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Post by Anon on May 4, 2008 2:10:45 GMT -5
I didn't want to post at first. I wanted to remain silent and find a better way through this. But I have a few things to say for now. Go ahead and yell at me to now that I've involved myself, I guess I'm asking for it huh?
I'm disappointed in the way things are going between all of us. Everyone is breaking away from whatever we seemed to have had in the beginning with our so called friendships. So much has changed in such a short time. I wish I could say that it's all going to be ok and this will all blow over and we'll laugh about it later... but real life isn't like that and it never was. I'm mostly disappointed in the fact that any communication involving a disagreement seems to have to go through this really negative phase. Even those not directly involved get bitter. It's disappointing because it could be handled better but it won't. It won't because this is Eon and hell, we all know how much we love drama. Even me. I think we're all drama whores one way or another. Go us!
So, I don't have much to say right now until I speak with some people individually because I'd like to understand this conflict myself and to hopefully propose a solution as to how we would like to deal with this.
Ani and Bryce, I know you never got along. Tis a shame, but you both deal with it in your own way and you guys really aren't posing any major problems toward the rest of the group. Your disagreement hasn't been particularly damaging to the rest of us personally or Eon. So thank you for keeping it that way and I hope you continue to hold your level of tolerance. In fact, I think a little outburst every once in awhile is healthy.
Taro, I know you won't see this post because you have left Eon so I can't really say anything here now.
Blake, obviously you are going through hell as usual, but your reaction to Taro's post was shocking. I've been concerned about you and what you've been going through. You are generally very knowledgeable and have valid points to your arguments, but you seemed to be trying to get at Taro any way you could. I have to agree that your conclusions to Taro's post was quite a stretch. I just hope that whatever your quirk is that you get through it safely and healthily.
Ani, I wanted to express my deepest sympathy for what has happened to you. I'm sorry about what you have to go through and I hope that it works out for the best for both of you. I understand your reason to be upset. I wish you and your rat the best.
Kama, as I told you earlier, this argument is not your fault. I thank you for handling this maturely and hopefully you can still provide helpful insights to this problem. To answer your question, don't lock the thread as we still need to come to a conclusion here.
For the record, I'm not mad at you or anyone here, nor does that stop me from being friends. I just hate to see friends fight this intensely over something relatively simple. A lot of things said here needed to be said and these issues are still issues that we must deal with in one way or another. So thank you to Bryce and Taro who did post possible suggestions to solving this conflict, even though they were not looked highly upon. I do have a few ideas myself but I think I might post them later after this calms down a bit.
And as a side note to Bryce: About my post on DA... *sigh* Look, I'm really sorry about that. I blew off some steam and now I realize how poorly I handled it. I wasn't thinking clear (due to lack of sleep and being sick for a week straight) and I wanted to apologize. I think we need to have a real talk about some things.
Oh and I do want to say one thing: Taro did not call Blake on the phone to cuss him out as was stated. The only real curse word he said was "hell" and the rest was an angry Taro expressing his discontent with Blake's comments and dissection of his post. He called because he wanted to talk to him about these issues but all he got was a machine so that's how he had to leave it. And later when they talked it was an angry Blake and angry Taro and they were biting each others heads off. It did not go well, but Taro did not deliberately call Blake to cuss him out on any occasion. Ok, just so you know that at least, but I'm sure there's a lot more to it. I just have no right to elaborate because I was not there or involved.
Alright, no more. I typed much more than I intended and will need to get some sleep now. We've all got A LOT to say and I think we all need to say it, even if it means the end of Eon, friendships, everything. I can't decide what would be better: keeping all the thoughts to ourselves or just letting it all out. I've always wondered what people REALLY thought about me, and how much of that is genuine versus total bullshit. Does everyone think about this too? Could everyone handle the criticism?
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Post by blake on May 4, 2008 9:36:16 GMT -5
'Going through Hell as usual"? Did I detect a note of sarcasm there, Riley? Yes, yes, I believe I did. Honestly, you don't know what I've been through. It's not Hell. Lord, youhonestly have no idea what I've been through- you don't know me, don't presume to know what I've been through and don't get sarcastic about it. And of course I was trying to get at Taro! I'm pissed at him. He called me up on my cell phone, and he was trying to get at me too. Know why? Because we were pissed at each other, and that's what people who are pissed at each other generally do.
"Discontenment"? Um... yeah, tell that to my dad, Riley. In any case, how could I know Taro didn't cuss me out? I heard the word 'hell', and then I deleted the message before my parents could here it and flip out. I will not suffer for Taro's mistake. To be honest, I think the emotions run deeper then 'discontentment'. Stop trying to be so politically correct. Seriously.
Yes, I handled this poorly, but it is undeniable Taro is playing the victim here. While I agree I was being a complete and total ass, I still, to quote Taro, stand by everything I said.
And for the record, Riley, NO! That is NOT how Taro had 'to leave it'. He could have called back, or tried me on my cell. Tar osaid on the phone that he didn't want to get my parents involved. If that was true, he should NOT have left a message where they could hear it. I DO NOT CARE what you think- It was as wrong for Taro to leave a message on my answering machine like that as it was for me to cuss at him. So seriously? Just stop, because what Taro did was not appropriate or right.
- Blake
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Post by momaru on May 4, 2008 12:26:09 GMT -5
I agree with Riley here. Also, It's too late for saying "I'm really sorry about that" Shelly. The damage has already been done. Maybe you should have thought about what you were saying before you posted that on DA? Honestly, your apparent lack of sincerity appalls me. If you were truly sorry, you would have called me and apologized as soon as possible. I agree that we need to talk. You may call me whenever you wish.
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Post by blake on May 4, 2008 23:28:42 GMT -5
Alright, I'm reading back through my posts, and I'm gonna make this short-
I am sorry about my response. To quote Taro, I still stand by everything I said. Riley, please don't be so sarcastic with me, because, honestly, that really, really didn't help.
But yeah, I'm really sorry I've been being an ass. And honestly, this could not have exploded at a worse time. *sighs*Seriously, of all the weekends for this to happen....
Eh... I do feel awful about it though, and I know an apology will fix nothing, but I am truly sorry, and I do regret what I did. So... eh....
- Blake
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Post by Anon on May 5, 2008 23:53:31 GMT -5
Sorry Blake. I only put "going through hell as usual" to lighten my statement on a serious topic. I did not mean it to be offensive and really didn't want that to come out as a sarcastic mocking of your life. I'm relating hell to your life because I know for a fact that you have it so much worse off than me, thus what I know and go through in my life compared to your life is on a completely different level. No, I don't really know what you go through and will never truly know or could ever really understand. That's the only reason I put that statement in there... your life is hell compared to mine. That's how I understand it so that's how I put it. Sorry, I guess it wasn't the best choice of words I could have used.
And let me rephrase... "He called because he wanted to talk to him about these issues but all he got was a machine so that's how he had chosen to leave it." Bad word choice again. Sorry. I know that your guy's argument was just as much his fault. As much as I'd like to defend him in every situation, I know that he is at fault too. I just wanted to clear up the general assumption that "all he wanted to do was cuss you out" was false. Not saying he's any better or worse than the way you handled it because you both handled it poorly. Duh. You were both angry. Also Taro had no idea that you guys were at the Vet when he yelled at you and he apologizes for that; he didn't want to make that situation worse but he really didn't know what was going on. He's still mad but would never purposely choose to yell at you in that situation.
And yes, I am trying to be "politically correct" because I have to choose my words carefully. Obviously I still didn't do the greatest job in my last post anyways as I now have to correct and clear up some things. It's so hard to try and say stuff I want without causing more damage yet have people take you seriously. So I use fancy words. I donno, did it work at all?
And yes Taro is playing the victim because he genuinely feels like the victim. He seriously does and he's been feeling that for awhile. He got over the whole surgeon character thing when you talked about it and he realized that he wasn't being replaced in that aspect, but at first he only freaked out because he saw this as more or less another attack on his character to "overthrow" his uniqueness and importance in Eon. In fact, more than just Taro has been getting the feeling that our characters might just not matter anymore now that "Blake and Ani are taking over Eon". Obviously you are not trying to take over Eon, we all know that, but Taro is freaking out because he feels that if he doesn't do something about all this character creation and Eon development going on behind all of our backs that cause the many conflicts between characters and creators, then this can only become more of a problem in the future. He feels that you might as well be taking control of most of Eon now that you seem to have such a storyline that butts heads with some of our plans for our characters! There is absolutely nothing wrong with you and Ani having the time of your lives developing Eon and your characters and taking off with this whole thing. I encourage that to no end; I think that what you're doing for Eon is wonderful. You've created such wonderful, deep characters and storylines. But you see the problem here and hopefully understand why Taro feels victimized personally.
He had plans for Taro to be high-ranking in PAL, but POOF! All of a sudden he can't do that because you already made it happen that he was kicked out, and without his consent (his real consent, not his character's). You try to patch it up and make it work and try to satisfy everybody without it altering your storylines... but this problem would not have occurred if you knew Taro wanted a high position in PAL and if Taro knew that you were planning this whole plot with Darius and Dane. Actually this problem worked out ok because we did eventually have to reach a compromise one way or another and we thought of an alternative: being sent off to Germany and find this kid who's abusing his gifts (who I want to Kill but Taro doesn't... which adds to more awesomeness that is the Eon storyline, etc. etc.) but again, if we had talked about our plans beforehand, we could have reached this same compromise much easier and on better terms with each other. Instead... we go through this mess.
Same thing happened with Momaru getting high command in PAL.... here comes Dane. Bryce flips, you simply can't remove Dane off the face of the earth now that he's already there and developed, so Bryce says Rawr and you Rawr back and then decide to tell him that Dane dies/disappears/whatever after 6 months anyways so Momaru can take his place eventually. Sure it will work out but you see again: You didn't know about Momaru and he didn't know about your plans. So this mess happens. This is exactly why both Taro and Bryce proposed ideas to helping our communication when making new characters.
Hell we need characters, but there HAS to be a better system than this![/u]
So that's why I'm all ears to suggestions. I know everyone's got some idea. Personally I think limiting ourselves to 4-5 characters is not a way to solve the problem, especially because we need more than that for Eon. And Ani's right, I CHOSE to have only one character. I could have more true, but I don't right now. (Well, I have created more characters actually... but they are only ones in Riley's past and most likely will not be seen again so I don't know if I count them really. But that's not the point.) The point is that as of right now, the more characters you create, the more influence and involvement you have with the Eon storyline, which gives you the most "power" over Eon and thus leads everyone to kinda see it is "you're taking over everything." That's why Bryce wanted to limit it down.
Taro proposed an idea I like though: propose your characters to the group and explain what you plan for them/why you made them/ etc. simply so we KNOW. Most of these new characters I didn't know (and still don't) anything about or that they existed in the first place! Hell for all I know there's now a character that conflicts with Riley and we'll have to figure something out. But we simply just need to somehow KNOW. From there we can solve conflicts and problems in the storyline relating to everyone else's characters before the new character is too far developed and change is harder and problems get bigger. If we don't know your plans and you don't know ours, problems happen. Taro was not trying to get you to bow and kiss his feet and beg for his permission to allow you to have a character in Eon or not. That's a group effort and a group decision. Everyone needs to know and everyone needs to make sure that the new character will work with their own. He wasn't saying to present them to him specifically. He was trying to find a (pretty logical if you ask me) solution to prevent this mess from going further. And to be blunt, you shoved everything in his face and smeared it around for good measure by picking apart and interpreting everything the way he did not intend for it to be. Then it heated up from there.
*sigh* Yeah. The lack of decent communication pisses me off sometimes. Help? Anyone? Please!?
Edit: Damn that was long. Sorry for the long post; I guess I had a lot to say.[/color]
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Post by blake on May 6, 2008 1:17:15 GMT -5
[He had plans for Taro to be high-ranking in PAL, but POOF! All of a sudden he can't do that because you already made it happen that he was kicked out, and without his consent (his real consent, not his character's). You try to patch it up and make it work and try to satisfy everybody without it altering your storylines... but this problem would not have occurred if you knew Taro wanted a high position in PAL and if Taro knew that you were planning this whole plot with Darius and Dane. Actually this problem worked out ok because we did eventually have to reach a compromise one way or another and we thought of an alternative: being sent off to Germany and find this kid who's abusing his gifts (who I want to Kill but Taro doesn't... which adds to more awesomeness that is the Eon storyline, etc. etc.) but again, if we had talked about our plans beforehand, we could have reached this same compromise much easier and on better terms with each other. Instead... we go through this mess.]
BIG sigh. Look, we've already discussed this in depth. I did not 'kick him out'. That was the compromise. And, yeah, we should have posted more on the forums, but you cannot blame that entirely on me. Taro should have posted that he wanted power too. In any case, I'm still uncomfortable with the whole idea of a persona being in power like that, but whatever. Not my problem.
And also, yeah, I did attack Taro. I've been pissed at him for months, so it was bound to happen.
- Blake
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