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Post by momaru on Aug 14, 2007 23:33:33 GMT -5
Haha facebook is BS! I'll tell you why. It's because employers, schools, whoever, actually check sometimes to see if you have a facebook, livejournal, or myspace. Do you really want a prospective employer to poke his nose into information you may not want them having on the internet and not hiring you because of that? This is why I refuse to join any of those types of web sites.
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Post by animeg on Aug 15, 2007 0:34:53 GMT -5
Wow, Facebook is getting pretty popular now. o3o I've heard Lisa mentioning about it several times already. *scratches head* But yeah, not going to get an account either. My reasons is different from Bryce the Ass over there though; ever since a friend of mine played a prank on me, I got paranoid of putting my information on the internet so I never done it again. l3; That and I sort of never stay active on that kind of stuff either. xD;
Oh Bryce? You didn't need to be rude and look like a jerk, you didn't have to go around and saying this and this is bullshit because obviously Taro likes this website. Just politely explain your reasoning without insulting people; just a suggestion. 8l -shrugs-
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Post by eirra on Aug 15, 2007 19:37:40 GMT -5
Hm.... I don't really have that many pictures of myself that I'd want on the internet (Good lord, that sounded bad. That's not what I meant, trust me, lol) I just don't really generally like how I look in pics. But I'll see if Wikipedia has an article on it. You said it's like Myspace, and I do like Myspace, so who knows?
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Post by kaito on Aug 15, 2007 22:36:49 GMT -5
Hmmm... sounds interesting. I'll try it out. Tusami seems to like it alot and is all like join it or I kill u foo! So yeah, I'll cheack it out.
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Post by bi on Aug 16, 2007 20:56:11 GMT -5
I've joined it! It's actually alot of fun!
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Post by momaru on Aug 18, 2007 22:59:58 GMT -5
Uh, Ani I wasn't being an ass. I was just saying why I don't have facbook or anything. I think you read too much into my comment. It's not like I gave a stupid reason for saying why I don't like facebook.... Apparently I shouldn't be saying what I feel around here if I was to listen to you. Not to mention I don't like your attitude. Stay out of my business and I won't say anything about yours ok?
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Post by keitaro on Aug 19, 2007 10:16:53 GMT -5
Well, actually, in this case Bryce is kind of correct. A kid got kicked out of a Christian college because he admitted he was gay on a social networking site and his college found out. (However, given the general sentiment towards Christian behavior around here I don't think that's going to be a problem... X-D) However, in certain cases, as long as the stuff on your site isn't libel then you're fine and they can't do anything about it. Anyhow...
I'm also like Bryce in that I don't much like social networking sites. Bryce honestly did have a point, you have to be careful what you put on there in case someone you mention sees it or something similar (again, I don't think that's a problem with you guys, its just that I like to say what I mean and sometimes I don't want to insult other people just because I'm angry for a few moments.)
I also never really saw the point of them. To me, it's a duplication of a whole host of other things I already have and/or do, like instant messaging and blogging. They're just a duplication of what I do normally, so I never joined one, and probably never will.
The third, and one of the most deterrent, reasons is kind of twofold. Their security is generally less that phenomenal, and I really don't want people to gain information I don't want them to have or to be able to masquerade as me in comments and such... The second part is that there is a nearly limitless army of moronic twelve year olds who have nothing better to do than browse these websites and annoy other people. (*embarrassed cough*) Anyway, I don't think that wasting my time getting into flame wars with idiots on my personal page is a fun thing to do.
Hopefully I haven't insulted anyone (Sorry Ani...). That's just my take on them. For the record, I DO NOT assume that ALL people who use them are stupid (you can't disagree that there are quite a few idiots on them, though). I've known for a while that some of you have MySpaces, and that never bothered me. I just like to say why I won't get one. Call me weird or any other name you like. Oh well.
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Post by eirra on Aug 19, 2007 14:14:17 GMT -5
Well, actually, in this case Bryce is kind of correct. A kid got kicked out of a Christian college because he admitted he was gay on a social networking site and his college found out. (However, given the general sentiment towards Christian behavior around here I don't think that's going to be a problem... X-D) However, in certain cases, as long as the stuff on your site isn't libel then you're fine and they can't do anything about it. Anyhow... I'm also like Bryce in that I don't much like social networking sites. Bryce honestly did have a point, you have to be careful what you put on there in case someone you mention sees it or something similar (again, I don't think that's a problem with you guys, its just that I like to say what I mean and sometimes I don't want to insult other people just because I'm angry for a few moments.) I also never really saw the point of them. To me, it's a duplication of a whole host of other things I already have and/or do, like instant messaging and blogging. They're just a duplication of what I do normally, so I never joined one, and probably never will. The third, and one of the most deterrent, reasons is kind of twofold. Their security is generally less that phenomenal, and I really don't want people to gain information I don't want them to have or to be able to masquerade as me in comments and such... The second part is that there is a nearly limitless army of moronic twelve year olds who have nothing better to do than browse these websites and annoy other people. (*embarrassed cough*) Anyway, I don't think that wasting my time getting into flame wars with idiots on my personal page is a fun thing to do. Hopefully I haven't insulted anyone (Sorry Ani...). That's just my take on them. For the record, I DO NOT assume that ALL people who use them are stupid (you can't disagree that there are quite a few idiots on them, though). I've known for a while that some of you have MySpaces, and that never bothered me. I just like to say why I won't get one. Call me weird or any other name you like. Oh well. </twocents> Actually, Kei, you do have a point. I mean, think about it: If I wanted to hack into someone's Yahoo! account, if their security question was something like, "What's your favorite pet's name" or "what high school did you go to", it wouldn't be that hard to find there Myspace page and easily aquire that information. But I guess as long as you're careful... which I am... also, it's always good to know the rule that you shouldnt put up anything online that you wouldn't mind everyone knowing. That, and at least on Myspace, you should set your profile to private and only accept people that you know (Heh. I've disobeyed that several times, lol). As long as you are careful... Out of curosity, how to job interviewers find your accounts? Do you know? I mean, if they ask for your Myspace or soemthing, it's easy enough to say, "I don't have Myspace". And unless they find out your username (and Eirra probably isn't a very common username, lol. Or kama-kama, or Animeg, or Tusami...) it would be nigh impossible to find your accounts. I suppose they could llok up your real name on the internet, but if it was a name like "John Smith", that would yeald thousands of searches. So... do you know how they do it?
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Post by keitaro on Aug 19, 2007 15:26:38 GMT -5
You kinda missed my point a bit on security. When I mean security I mean breaking in through unrecognized channels. I believe I was told that MySpace allowed raw HTML code in their comment boxes until fairly recently, which can mean very, very bad things.
And, you forget: quite a few users post pictures of themselves. A quick name search and comparison of what they looked like when you saw them and their picture on a social networking site is more effective than you may know. I mean, even our own Tusami (who sent me an invite a little while ago) has her picture on there. So it probably wouldn't be too difficult to find the page of the person you want.
(Also, it's amazing what you can discover by just using what the websites themselves give you. You'd be surprised.)
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Post by animeg on Aug 19, 2007 18:08:43 GMT -5
Bryce, you still used bad language [yes, even just shortening it to BS] and it wasn't fair. And besides, who said that you HAVE to listen to me? o_o I mean really, if you don't like my comment then just ignore it. That's pretty much the wonders of internet. BD;
Ah, actually Keitaro, that wasn't insulting anybody, I wasn't offended or anything, seriously. I just didn't like it how Bryce unwisely bashed a site that some people obviously enjoys. Even when I already agree with him; hell, I pretty much agree everything you just said Keitaro. -nods- I DID read that story about that guy and the church, it was actually in one of the CosmoGirl's magazine before! I felt so bad for that guy, just, ugh, how unfair. Dx Anyway, back to the point, you're not weird at all, I agree that I find no point in them either. To me, it's just having a website with your personal stuff on them. -shrugshrug- I also want people on here to be careful on what they put on their profiles too; it's remarkable how there are some people out there that have no lives and can stalk you if they want. -shudders at the thought-
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Post by katyasha on Aug 20, 2007 11:55:34 GMT -5
Sorry I"m going to pass on getting one, I had a friend of mine got hacked into and messed it up his life and others as well.
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Post by kaito on Aug 20, 2007 16:01:25 GMT -5
Wow, this is a VERY controversial topic isn't it? Well, personally I don't think we can compare church and the internet very well :/ Like... meh. Employers a) would have a hard time finding information and b) YOU put the information up. YOU decide what others see. As for security, Myspace knows these loopholes exist. They put them there. Myspace = Badthings. Bah.
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Post by momaru on Aug 24, 2007 18:51:48 GMT -5
oh, actually employers just have to ask and they can access even the info that you hide from other people because they get admin status to look whatever they want up. Scary huh?
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Post by Anon on Aug 26, 2007 14:42:26 GMT -5
Uhhhh.... *looks around* Dang, this topic is um.. yeah. Well then.
First of all you don't have to join. No one said you have to. Taro, me, and Kaito have it and we think it's pretty cool. I like it because it's easier to use than myspace (which I never go on anyways but meh) and it's a smaller community. It's easier to connect with people you know from school and such, find new people, and have fun.
Second, of course these sites are full of personal information! You chose to put that there. You chose to put a picture of yourself or your butt on there. You choose if you wanted to put up your street address and phone number, don't be surprised that people can find you. You have control of what information you want to give out. You assume all risks and responsibilities, not the website. Don't put anything against the site for that and it's only your fault if something bad happens. That goes for every site on the internet, even deviantART. The Eon forums is protected as much as I can make it but it's still not %100 safe and nothing can be. I actually went back today and realized how much personal info about us in any way shape or forum wasn't protected enough, so I fixed that. In order to view most boards, you must log in. Outsiders cannot view or respond to most things except for the help/faq board and such. But if you're super paranoid, stay off the internet.
Third, um, I had a question for Bryce. How exactly does an employer get access to your account? They have these "special admin privileges" you say? Well then if that were true, doesn't that mean that anyone can do that by just simply lying? I don't think the websites will do that. I think if it was a matter of national security, the FBI or whatever could look at it, but not your boss that works at Dairy Queen. Seriously, wouldn't that kinda go against the terms and conditions of these kinds of sites? And yes, there are hackers, but if people really want to find out your account info to mess up your site or something, you probably really pissed them off for some reason. Otherwise, who's gonna care about your account?
Numba four, if you really really really don't want an employer to try and find your information to have an accuse not to hire you, then simply go through all your accounts and make sure there's nothing for them to find there. Or simply don't join any of those sites. Delete your account or information. Simple. Again, you chose to put your info there, take it off if it's going to be a problem. In fact, it's much better if you DO join these sites, put minimal information, and then fill it with good things that your employer would WANT to see so he would hire you. Flip it around, turn it into a good thing. For example, you can put up a journal about how you volunteered at a summer camp for little kids and how much fun you had. That would show them responsibility, community service/volunteer work, friendliness, willingness to work, etc. See? It really isn't all bad! Everyone seems to just be focused on the negative when there's a lot of positive.
Five I guess? Your account is not safe anywhere at any time on any site. Even here on the forums I could go in and mess up everyone's stuff and delete all your posts and give you bad rep and all this other crap. But of course I won't because you know and trust me. The point is that you still signed up for this site and every other site, you gave out personal info still in some way shape or form yet you don't join things like myspace because why? Why is it any worse than deviantART? I would hope that you don't go and delete your account or something off the forums or DA or something just because you don't think it's safe now (it never was, and we really don't want you to leave.) But I think you see my point. Anyways, back to my admin powers over your accounts, well, as with myspace or live journal or whatever, they also do have this power too but they aren't going to go in a mess up your stuff either, they provide a service and they don't want a negative image toward their site. They try to provide the best security, best service, best community site, etc. If something bad happens to someone because they met a serial killer through myspace that was pretending to be a 12 year old girl from Alabama, everyone instantly accuses myspace of being bad. It's not their fault, they warn you when you sign up that they collect personal info and you assume responsibility of any info that you give out to others. You have the choice to lie or tell the truth, but it's all your fault. To prevent this, be careful. Just be aware that this problem exists everywhere, no one is safe on or offline in the real world, and it's your responsibility. That's all.
Ok, yeah. Just thought I'd put in my two cents... or whatever you think it's worth, 5, 10 cents? Yeah, sorry it's a bit long but I guess I had a lot to say. I hope no one gets mad at me or anything but I'm only stating fact.
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Post by eirra on Sept 4, 2007 21:42:22 GMT -5
Ok, honestly, if you have anything you want to hide from someone, the general rule is don't put it on the internet. I mean, there realyl shouldn't be a picture of somebody's butt on Myspace. Yes, it's their choice to put it up there, but I mean, come on! It's kinda... awkward. You choose what you put up, and you choose what your employers get to look at. It's that simple. I mean, I can see why the bosses would want to look at your profile. Let's say your going to work with children, and your Myspae profile consists of "HEY SEXY MAMA BABY ILL LYKE TOTTALLY DO THE BUTT XD SEXY TOPLESS PICS HERE!!!" Do you REALLY want a person who does that over the internet to be with kids. Not sayin' it's right, but I get them. Also, Taro, I have read that people have had their myspace's searches. It was in the paper. I'll try and find the article when I'm not so damn lazy and tired.
*65 years later*
FOUND IT!!! xD
So... yeah. Sorry if this made no sense. I'm really tired. It's... 8:43? Dear lord, I'm pathertic xD
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